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</style><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in;word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Your use of AI is fascinating.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I very seldom come to meetings since Covid when I got out of the habit but I would love to hear a talk on this topic.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I\u2019ve played with AI for writing toy apps, mostly web apps that fetch and organize data- pretty basic.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I\u2019m an analog EE and I\u2019m comfortable with assembly and C on small uC\u2019s.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>My main use of a micro is to tickle mixed signal hardware to enable mostly analog based instruments.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I guess Arduino has run its course.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>What was really special about it was that it democratized and lowered the bar for fooling with microcontrollers.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Before Arduino, you would use manufacturer provided tools or poorly documented GNU stuff, which is really at the core of Arduino today.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It integrates the compiler and hides a lot of complexity like linking, make files and libraries.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I never trusted Arduino code for any real use case, it was good for hacking together an interface to new hardware etc. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The main problem that I had with it was that you could include some libraries and build something but it was very brittle, there weren\u2019t any standards for how resources were shared and once you got to something workable, you\u2019d have these intractable bugs that would force to get into the libraries and rewrite them to structure them and integrate them together.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The biggest project that I ever did was a software defined Ham radio using a Teensy with a good audio/dsp library by Paul Stoffgen.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The result was pretty amazing and not something I could have done from the ground up.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It was also pretty rickety and I never fully understood what all the code was doing.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I got it to the perf board stage but never really wrapped it up and packaged it up.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Good prototyping tool that won\u2019t help you with making something robust.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I was really surprised to see Qualcomm acquire Arduino and am amazed by what they are rumored to have paid (allegedly around $250M).<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I knew that they would change things and you can see this creeping enshitification as you call it already.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I guess all good things must come to an end.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It was fun while it lasted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Take care all and Happy Thanksgiving.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'>Regards,<br>John M. Wettroth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'>E: jwet@mindspring.com<br>M: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji";mso-no-proof:yes'>(</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'>919) 349-9875 <br>H: <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(984) 329-5420<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> TriEmbed <triembed-bounces@triembed.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Trampas Stern via TriEmbed<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 22, 2025 8:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> Triangle Embedded Computing Discussion <triembed@triembed.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TriEmbed] The enshittification of Arduino begins? Qualcomm starts clamping down @itsfoss2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>In my personal opinion Arudino has been dying a slow death for years, mainly from then number of bugs in their code and libraries. However it is really falling fast now because AI will be taking over that market area.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> In the last ~6 months AI has gotten really good at firmware/software development. I had AI write an entire web app that monitors remote servers data logs and alerts me on failures, I did not write or edit a single line of code. Around 80%-90% of code I develop is AI based now (even embedded), as such I no longer care about the programming language, APIs, etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example, I now write chip drivers by feeding datasheet to AI where it writes the driver for me, and will not go back to doing it manually ever again. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Needed FATFS and SD card driver, just told AI to add to project and include test cases to verify it worked. Which it did, and worked on the first try, of course this was Zephyr based project so not a huge lift, but it worked. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Even Zephyr device trees are insignificant to AI, I don't have to figure out convoluted syntax or setup, I just tell AI what I want. Even had AI write python test cases to run on desktop which verify that Bluetooth worked correctly. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The point is that when you can ask AI to setup a development container and IDE for your embedded project, then write code and test cases, so there is little need for Arduino. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I should mention that I was debating on learning Rust for embedded development last year, I choose not to. Specifically, AI is at the point that the programming language is irrelevant. That is AI will be able to translate code from one language to another with little effort. Also it will be able to verify that C/C++ is just as safe as Rust code. As such embedded development will be moving to a job of project management, where you are managing the project requirements, testing and tasking AI with writing code. <br><br>Even on the webserver project AI was having a hard time with javascript component, kept having lots of syntax mistakes. So I told it to write a lint tool to verify its results. So it wrote a javascript lint tool and would run it and fix its own mistakes. Basically AI today is as good as college level intern. That is it makes some dumb mistakes but can be highly productive with the correct "management". <br><br>I see AI technology is much like computers were in the 80s that is everyone could see how they would be use and the advantages of having one on everyone's desk. It will redefine the job market much like computers changed the typing pools at large companies. That is there will be a shift in skills you need for a job towards AI. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The point is if you are worried about Arudino, instead take some time and try the latest AI using copilot and VSCode, you might find like me that Arudino is insignificant, like a typewriter. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Trampas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 1:13\u202fAM Dwight Morgan via TriEmbed <<a href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The enshittification of Arduino begins? Qualcomm starts clamping down @itsfoss2<br><br><a href="https://share.google/03WWYzZ9EJkguCpF6" target="_blank">https://share.google/03WWYzZ9EJkguCpF6</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Triangle, NC Embedded Interest Group mailing list<br><br>To post message: <a href="mailto:TriEmbed@triembed.org" target="_blank">TriEmbed@triembed.org</a><br>List info: <a href="http://mail.triembed.org/mailman/listinfo/triembed_triembed.org" target="_blank">http://mail.triembed.org/mailman/listinfo/triembed_triembed.org</a><br>TriEmbed web site: <a href="https://TriEmbed.org" target="_blank">https://TriEmbed.org</a><br>To unsubscribe, click link and send a blank message: mailto:<a href="mailto:unsubscribe-TriEmbed@bitser.net" target="_blank">unsubscribe-TriEmbed@bitser.net</a>?subject=unsubscribe<br>Searchable email archive available at <a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/triembed@triembed.org/" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/triembed@triembed.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>