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<p>To amplify John's point that "<span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">The patent process takes a while, generally a
couple of years from filing to issuing.", a "couple" in this
case might be more than two. I don't think it follows that the
2019 paper must be connected to a patent or not 'cause it's
2021. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">The three patents I was involved with went like
this. The inventions were dreamed up between 2000 and 2004. We
published in Software Practice and Experience in February, 2005.
The patents were granted in 2010, 2011 and 2013. But maybe this
was all before the one year rule? No idea. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">Also, Shane Trent is a patent agent. As this
group might imagine from reading his postings over the years,
watching his presentations, conversations, etc, his background
and experience make for a very potent and effective combination
of experience and credentials. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">Full disclosure: I have worked with Shane in
various situations over the years.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">-Pete<br>
</span></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/11/21 05:13, John Wettroth via
TriEmbed wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">You (or often a patent law firm) do a
“patent search”.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Its
easier than ever for individuals these days because the US
Patent and Trademark Office is online. (USPTO.GOV).<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The site has a nice
query engine and a great database of abstracts and the full
text and graphics of all issued US patents going back pretty
far.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>It’s all free.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Its an amazing resource
to see how things work, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">Like most things, there are a few caveats:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">Patents are complicated, they’re written
in an arcane legalese that can obfuscate meaning.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The real meat of a
patent is in the “claims”, these are especially obtuse but
are really the key to patents.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>They are written to
be very general in order not to exclude things but it
often hides meaning- you have to read very carefully and
read between the lines.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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generally a couple of years from filing to issuing.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You will only find
issued patents on the USPTO site.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">A real “patent search” is looking not
just for the exact invention but various evolutionary
steps that led to it- this “prior art” is really key and
can give you a history of how a given process or idea
matured.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">That’s enough to get started probably.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Patent attorneys are
generally a friendly lot and are not so expensive.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>“Registered Agents” are
kind of the paralegals of the patent world and can be very
cost effective.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You
can contact an attorney or an agent and get a bit of free
consultation that can be very helpful.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>They do this stuff
everyday and what is hard for you is simple for them.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You might be able to
barter with a young attorney for their services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes">Regards,<br>
John M. Wettroth<br>
(984) 329-5420 (home)<br>
(919) 349-9875 (cell) </span><span
style="mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman"">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman""> TriEmbed
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:triembed-bounces@triembed.org"><triembed-bounces@triembed.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles
West via TriEmbed<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 10, 2021 10:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TriEmbed <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org"><triembed@triembed.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TriEmbed] How can you tell if something
is patented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">BIt of a weird question. Let me know
if it's too off topic.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I found a really interesting published
paper which details a cheap and relatively simple way to
produce aerographene (made of graphene, in this case with
a density around 3x that of air). I've got some ideas of
ways to use it for space applications, but I don't want to
get sued.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If I may ask, how can you tell if a
method outlined in a paper is OK to use commercially?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Charlie<o:p></o:p></p>
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