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<div><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">>I'm struggling to understand what you mean exactly by serial number in this context.</span></span><br></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Yes, FTDI has a unique serial number. Although I have heard of duplicates, but that would not be the norm. I cannot speak for other USB chip sets. </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Well I say I will move on from Ubuntu, but I still have it, albeit old. Yet even this old Ubuntu version I have is more current than RedHat (Centos) 7 on libraries. So I still use it. Time will tell if Debian can fully replace Ubuntu. They do a good job of coordinating alot of software. However my hope is Debian does too. Time will tell and I am not in a hurry. Mainly I use Debian for embedded stuff and I have come to really like it.</span></span></div><div><br></div>
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need to go a step further. To assign a name like "NW-FOO"
to the XDS110 in the NW corner of my "test range" I'd need
to interpose in Udev somehow so it could do the thing to
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<div style="">Right, so are you saying that you do not have
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I'm struggling to understand what you mean exactly by serial number
in this context. Does each USB interface chip (or emulation
hardware) have a unique serial number along with the manufacturer ID
and device ID that we see with lsusb? I just assumed they don't and
it's up to me to extract a standard ID (such as can be programmed
into the debug probes) or something ad hoc (e.g. with a custom
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I went backwards from you, spending about 10 years with Debian
Stable before going to the dark side with Ubuntu 13. I regret that,
but am afraid some key tool my work depends on simply won't play
with what was a solid rock of reliability. Maybe I should grease up
VirtualBox and see if I could reverse course.<br clear="none">
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<div style="">so if you have to change an Arduino Nano out for
instance, you would also need to change the rule to use the
new serial number. UDEV is extremely flexible and I haven't
even touched the surface of it, so if you write more generic
rules to just capture Arduino vs XYX, then I am sure you could
find a rule to increment your naming. I used this technique to
utilize the serial number to always connect to a specific
name. It worked quite well for fixing reconnects where it
would normally increment. However, it still did not fix just
plain disconnects common in USB. I am not a fan of the USB
software layer and I absolutely despise its physical
connections. Having said all that I still use it in many ways,
I have to, it's all there is for many things. And this
solution described with UDEV and serial #'s actually worked
quite well at solving the vast majority of issues and was
quite stable. Probably fine for non-critical uses.</div>
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FTDI Serial #</span></span></span></div>
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are making me feel better about keeping my Ubuntu 16 or
is it 14? Anyway, I am done with Ubuntu. it drives me
crazy in the same way that windows does, by making
decisions for you and assuming the user needs to be
probed constantly to act. I have always been a RedHat
person, but thanks to Rpi and many other embedded
devices, I am now a HUGE fan of Debian. I will not be
going to Ubuntu for new installs unless I am setting it
up for non-technical users, then Ubuntu is still the #1
go to. For me though, Ubuntu just annoys the crap out of
me in so many ways. The problem with RedHat (Centos) is
it just doesn't keep up to date for newer software, so I
have to use something else for that. It has been Ubuntu,
but now it's Debian.</span></span></span></div>
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<div> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 8:55:07 PM EST, Pete
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<div>If you are using the same USB devices all the
time and do not expect changes, consider doing udev
rules. Below is an article I wrote about it.
Basically it recognizes your USB device based on
certain ID's and you can name the device whatever
you want. As far as communicating, "expect" scripts
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Thanks. That's a nice how-to and will make it easy to
differentiate between the TI XDS110 debug probes and
Beaglebone boards that both manifest as /dev/ttyACMn and
between instances of custom devices and the Arduino
Nano's I'm using to run some motors that both manifest
as /dev/ttyUSBn. But I need to go a step further. To
assign a name like "NW-FOO" to the XDS110 in the NW
corner of my "test range" I'd need to interpose in Udev
somehow so it could do the thing to determine which is
which. For the XDS110 there's a TI program that (if you
repeat it enough times: flaky as heck) puts out strings
including the ID string, but for the custom device I
need to use expect to poke something into the port and
get back the ID (and same for the Arduino motor
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So the question is whether there's a hook mechanism with
Udev that would allow running a command as a side effect
of the device's detection and name assignment under
/dev. Especially if that could be run as root I could
create the symbolic link and properly set its group id.
Or maybe the invoked program/script could simply rename
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I agree that USB has got further to go. I regret going
with Ubuntu 18.04 for my latest PC 'cause Code Composer
Studio seems to be much less able to manage the debug
probes than when it's running on 16.04. Over on the
TriLUG list there's been griping about 18.04 having
regressions and that matches my experience.<br clear="none">
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<div>better is Tera-Term, but that is strictly
windows. It is quite good though and I wrote a
tool to run scripts to 300 edge routers using
Tera-Term. One thing I used to do is use "socat"
to send the serial device to a raw TCP port and
communicate over the network. In general I do
everything I can to not communicate to USB devices
due to their constant connection issues. I prefer
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<div dir="ltr">no extra cost!) I've got an
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