<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25321">I appreciate everyone's feedback.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25354"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25355">My project is a proof-of-concept thing. For now I think I'll start with the esp8266 but may quickly look at other options if/when I have problems with it.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25320"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25455"><span>Longer term (if I get it working) I'll need to evaluate other wifi options.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25456"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25500">I'll design my code to "easily" swap out wireless options.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25501"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25457"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25460">Thanks</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25458"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25459"><span>Craig</span></div><br><br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25581" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25580" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25579" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25578" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25582" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Robert Gasiorowski <rgresume@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jon Wolfe <jonjwolfe@anibit.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "pete@soper.us" <pete@soper.us>; Craig Cook <cncook001@yahoo.com>; "triembed@triembed.org" <triembed@triembed.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:58 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TriEmbed] wireless device<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25583" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2184765520"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25585"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1451483384530_25584" dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">ESP8266 is good if you're on a very strict budget and designing a custom, quick & dirty, non-mission-critical or proof-of-concept solution, </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">and on a private network (it supports WPA.)</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;"> I would never use it in an actual product. It will be, however, soon made obsolete by the new dual-core BLE / WiFI part that Espressif has recently announced, the ESP32, towards which the community will certainly shift its focus and development efforts. I suspect this new device will be quite a game-changer in the maker / hobbyist space and might become the new connected "Arduino".</span><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:18px;"><br clear="none"></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">I also forgot to mention CC2650, not a WiFi device, but worth looking at. There's new, cool CC2650 BoosterPack coming soon.</span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:18px;"><br clear="none"></span></font><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">ESP8266 </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">PROS</span></div><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Price (amazing, considering that ready-to-go modules are available for about 3 USD)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Size of modules and reference design BOMs (i.e. most components are integrated in the chip and the reference design only adds some flash memory and little else for the RF side)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Ease of use of the AT+ command set</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Nice interactive mode with local echo (good for network troubleshooting)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Simple firmware update (through UART interface: no special hardware required)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Vibrant community (but mostly experimental)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Arduino IDE support (advantage from a communication point of view, as you don't have to explain it can use a Wiring derivative blah blah)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">ESP8266 </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">CONS</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Power hungry (because of radio interface/protocol and power management implementation)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- No proper debugging in the toolchain for now (and probably never at this pace, as apparently only some experimental and limited success has been achieved. I think I have read somewhere that apparently Espressif may have not licensed for redistribution the entire IP package from their core vendor Tensilica. Very major absolute show-stopper for me so I haven't even looked at their tools)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Documentation (lack of and absurd versioning and paternity, with absolutely no criteria and multiple anonymous and undocumented releases floating around, at least for the AT+ firmware)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Firmware quality (unstable, sometimes self-resets, multiple connections required to run as an HTTP server)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Most open software development appears to be community-driven (with all the problems that this generates because it mixes up with the limited - closed - activity from the vendor)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;">- Lack of secure connections due to RAM size and buggy / unfinished APIs</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2184765520gmail_extra"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv2184765520yqt4333470077" id="yiv2184765520yqt09034"><div class="yiv2184765520gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2184765520gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Jon Wolfe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com">jonjwolfe@anibit.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2184765520gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>I can personally testify that you can get the emw3165 working with broadcoms sdk, gcc/gdb and eclipse, no IAR needed. Seeed sells a dev tool for it for around $20 that has an embedded jtag.<span class="yiv2184765520"></span><div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br clear="none">From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pete@soper.us" target="_blank" href="mailto:pete@soper.us">pete@soper.us</a> <br clear="none">Date: 12/29/2015 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00) <br clear="none">To: Robert Gasiorowski <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rgresume@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rgresume@gmail.com">rgresume@gmail.com</a>>, Jon Wolfe <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com">jonjwolfe@anibit.com</a>> <br clear="none">Cc: Craig Cook <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cncook001@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cncook001@yahoo.com">cncook001@yahoo.com</a>>, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a> <br clear="none"><div><div class="yiv2184765520h5">Subject: Re: [TriEmbed] wireless device <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="font-family:'Calibri', 'sans-serif';">Yes, the more I read about the 8266 the more it seems like the ultimate "get what you pay for" demo. I could well imagine a lot of snickering going on at TI.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Here's a blog post exploring reliability issues:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://flashgamer.com/hardware/comments/esp8266-and-stability">http://flashgamer.com/hardware/comments/esp8266-and-stability</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The situation w the EMW3165 is more fuzzy, and it appears that module's developers think everybody has the IAR Embedded Workbench on their (Windows, natch) PC. (the IAR software costs thousands of dollars!) </div><div>Pete</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div>----- Reply message -----<br clear="none">From: "Robert Gasiorowski via TriEmbed" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>><br clear="none">To: "Jon Wolfe" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jonjwolfe@anibit.com">jonjwolfe@anibit.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: "Craig Cook" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cncook001@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cncook001@yahoo.com">cncook001@yahoo.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: [TriEmbed] wireless device<br clear="none">Date: Tue, Dec 29, 2015 9:45 PM</div></div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">Anything is better than ESP8266 :) (I can elaborate if you want)<div><br clear="none"></div><div>If you are looking for something reliable and easy to work with, I would suggest CC3100 (NWP) or CC3200 (NWP+ARM).</div><div>They are not cheap, but they are worth every penny.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Rob.<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div class="yiv2184765520gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2184765520gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Jon Wolfe via TriEmbed <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2184765520gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><span style="color:rgb(50,58,69);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">EMW3165, it's actually been around for a while. ARM Cortex m4, 2+0.5 Mb flash, 128 k ram. </span><div><span style="color:rgb(50,58,69);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">There are a few more capable variations too, but you start to run into the price range where you should just get a pi. (Of course the pi zero makes that price point even lower)</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(50,58,69);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(50,58,69);font-family:'Open Sans', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br clear="none"></span></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original message --------<br clear="none">From: Craig Cook via TriEmbed <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a>> <br clear="none">Date: 12/29/2015 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00) <br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org">triembed@triembed.org</a> <br clear="none">Subject: [TriEmbed] wireless device <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr">At our last Triembed meeting someone mentioned there was a new wireless device coming our soon that was better than the esp8266. What was it?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Craig<br clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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