<div style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif';">That's an excellent, key point. It appears they make an extra pass and have implicit includes, as well as magic to do with libraries, all to liberate users from having to deal with lots of pesky details.<div><br></div><div>I've been using a make file for a long time, but I can't get by with forward references, while with the Arduino IDE it's as if they create and compile function prototypes ahead of the bodies on the fly, so the order of variable declarations and function bodies is not important: the build just works.<div><br></div><div>This and other compile/link details, especially with respect to "library search/build rules", and the real extent of differences from standard C++ is horribly documented. I'd love to be wrong: links to a treatment of this subject welcome. </div><div><br></div><div>Pete</div><div><br></div></div><br><div id="htc_header">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Rodney Radford" <ncgadgetry@gmail.com><br>To: "Pete Soper" <pete@soper.us><br>Cc: "trianglerobotics" <trianglerobotics@yahoogroups.com>, "TriEmbed Discussion" <triembed@triembed.org><br>Subject: [TriEmbed] [TAR] New free Atmel Studio 7 development studio now lets you input Arduino sketches.<br>Date: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 3:46 PM</div></div><br><div dir="ltr"><div>I think the issue is that you don't have separate .h and .c (or .cpp) files as you do in a traditional C environment, so it probably does something for that under the covers.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Pete Soper via TriEmbed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:triembed@triembed.org" target="_blank">triembed@triembed.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Arduino runs a C++ compiler behind the scenes and handles object
oriented features of that language (i.e. the compiler properly
compiles them and the runtime properly supports them). So I was
puzzled by the notion that Studio can translate an arbitrary sketch
into C. It would be absolutely stunning for it to create data
structures and function interfaces corresponding to a C++ class, but
I'm not holding my breath to see this is actually what's offered.<br>
-Pete<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 10/18/2015 03:00 PM, Rodney Radford
<a href="mailto:ncgadgetry@gmail.com" target="_blank">ncgadgetry@gmail.com</a> [trianglerobotics] wrote:<br>
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<div>Technically, Arduino sketches have always been 'C'
code, so no conversion needed, but glad they are now
allowing them to be used.<br>
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<div>The primary differences between a sketch and a
standalone C program is that you use an init() and
loop() function instead of a main(), and the files are
all concatenated together and compiled as one (so no
need to include header files, or worry about linkers). <br>
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<div>There are other non-Arduino make environments that
already support the sketches, such as using a barebones
Make file that sets up the required rules for building.<br>
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<div>I am glad, though, that they are better supported
(and at least mentioned) now as there is a ton of good
example code in the sketches out there and I would
prefer the standard Atmel IDE.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:51 PM,
Ken Boone <a href="mailto:kensrobots@gmail.com" target="_blank">kensrobots@gmail.com</a>
[trianglerobotics] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trianglerobotics@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:trianglerobotics@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">trianglerobotics@yahoogroups.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">Now lets you input Arduino
sketches and converts them to C code.</p>
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