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Thanks for that, Jon. I was way too harsh about Fritzing and should
not have said what I said because my judgment of this tool is
several months old. But when I tried it then I somehow failed to
notice the caveat that surely lurked in the fine print for that
version of Fritzing:<br>
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"We apologize in advance for what you're about to experience as
you try to accomplish much of anything with this 'tool'!" <br>
<br>
But that was then, and this is now. Brian's situation, as he
explained toward the end of the meeting, is that he has a well
understood, debugged breadboard design that he wants to turn into 16
completed devices via custom PCBs. Fritzing may be the best choice
if the cost and shipping logistics aren't a problem. From a learning
curve standpoint Fritzing would be hugely better. On the other hand,
it might make for a fun project to see if we can turn his schematic
into an Eagle board file and have him send it to Oshpark. Brian
doesn't actually want to spend a lot of time with CAD programs,
whereas I figure some of the rest of us might be eager to learn how
to use and not use this program. <br>
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As far as the CAD parts library situation goes, that could be a
subject all it's own at another meeting. I had to make a CAD
description for both the M41T62LC6F clock chip and the FXOS8700CQ
accelerometer/magnetometer chip mentioned last night. (I said the
clock chip was a M41T62Q, but that's the version in the QFN-16
package that works with an outboard crystal. The LC6F part is the
truely small, metal package with internal crystal.)<br>
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-Pete<br>
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PS Bill Farrow: if you're reading this, the reason I haven't given
you a completed FX board is because I've only been able to complete
one so far. I'm finding the solder paste step with a stencil more
difficult than it has any right to be.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2014 11:52 PM, Jon Wolfe wrote:<br>
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was brought up this evening. I'll agree, I wouldn't want
to use it for PCB layout. I do have a use for it,
however: to pre-plan complex breadboard or
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that while Fritzing might be rather limited for some
things, but it is a lot more efficient than repeatedly
ripping apart a breadboard circuit because you didn't
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